This paper is the exchanges that transpired between us and another African brother who intervene and tried to “end” the debate but I saw someone trying to answer a loaded question.

I have not edited my letter or their responds , all grammatical errors and spelling mistake are left in, this is the point of my paper..

I am aware of the important of spelling and the use of grammar, this high goal, penalize the African who have something to say about any topic is he are she force to keep his ideals to himself and not write or talk about them? Our goal of excellence can hurt and emotionally damage the African, we are trying to reach and they can be miss guided, with this mastering English obsession, which is one of your rule for submitting this paper. also when only the PhD. Are talking it can become condescending.

This e-mail was sent to me from one of the young supper of Mbad African Bead Museum, I am eternally grateful for his watchful eyes on the internet.

"Uri \"Heru\"> wrote :thought you'd like this considering your debate.........
SUBJECT OF EMAIL I RECEIVED: Tihs is bcuseae the huamn minid deos not read ervery Iteter by istlef..
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Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a
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in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed
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ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? yaeh and I
awlyas thought slpeling was ipmorantt

Dabls wrote:

Detroit News Editorials look around and you will see an absence of African symbolism, vibrant colors. Culture Relics, beads beadworks, textiles, languages, food, clothing, music, etc, yet we are .community of over 800,000 African, yes I know there are those who say,” I am not an African”,” I don’t know anything about Africa”,” I was born in America, my answer is ignorance and denial don’t mean that we are not African and the mere passing of “ time” can’t denier us that fact or the point of no return, the middle passages, enslavement, reconstruction, segregation, integration our participation in the European wars, the civil rights movement, “racism”, prating Christianity or Islam, assibilation, speaking English, earring degreed, excepting someone else’s creation myth, none of these events from our past robbed us of our Africanism, we are African because of our DNA, Ancestor tendencies psychologically and spiritually deep in our genetic pool lying dormant is our African spirituality waiting to emerge, the foundation for African town.

Greek town, Mexican town, China town, Pole Town, etc these are cultural who have their own language and creative myth to explain how they came to be and as long as they identity with their cultural they will survive as such. What make them different is their symbolism, edifices, food clothing that their ancestors developed after leaving Africa thousands of years ago, it is encoded on their genes to insist on the continuation of their kind ask yourself why would any people living in America would try to hold on to their cultural identity? in The land of opportunity and the great melting pot.

Your primmest is that we all are American, without realizing that America is a European cultural, look at the language, English, creation myths Christianity, building Europe, laws European, the philosophy that govern European, the founding fathers of your constitution were European base on a fight you were having with England, the King James vision of the bible written by scholars at Cambridge and oxford England,. The only people you have been able to trick in to, believing that America is not a European cultural in African living in America for the last 400 years.

We tried in the early 1800s to call ourselves African and you responded with a threat to send us back to Africa. so we went back to calling ourselves Negro ( the word is neither and African concept nor an African world it is of Protégées and Spanish origin from words meaning Black and was first used about 1550 prior to the European in Africa each cultural has its own name and each individual identifies himself or herself by membership in a group, the prefix Ba meaning people and Ma signifies the individual personal), the name you felt comfortable with, you allow us to call ourselves black, color, Ladies, Gentlemen ,Sir and Madam Afro, African- American( we begin using in the late 1970s it meet with resent by African in America and Europeans), etc.

the concept African town, a lot of African living in America will also fear that concept and they will fight it, we are identify ourselves with a cultural other than European., you allowed us to have our black bottom, hasten street, etc., those titles don’t imply mental independent, this is the irony , African living in America shop and live in all of the above so call town and never tried to stop them from existing as a cultural, and you call us races( I will address this concept later) we force you to let us shop with you , go to school with you live in the same community with you, use the public transportation with you, and you say we are races that word was coned to explained you behavior and it has no basic in African cultural , most of the above cultural town are in Detroit, but if we identify an area as African town we are races.

You said for us to call a section of Detroit African town is racist, FYI Detroit is a French name, 99.9% of all the streets in Detroit is named after Europeans and 99.9% of all African born in America have European names and .9% of the remain have Arab names, most of the schools, buildings, city government departments, parks, hospitals have European names, bank and mortgage companies are owned by European 90% the church were used by European first and we build new one using European Architect and architectural designs. In fact the religions is yours, you develop the K12 education system based on your cultural, 90% of the public art is European and we pay you to continuous to educated us in you collages and university and you call us races?( maybe we should change the name of Detroit to Nyama.) to reflect the people living here?

The European and others, that are helping to revitalize Detroit are not leaving because we name an area African town, I remember the owner of Crain Communication said he would leave Detroit if we voted for casinos in Detroit, the last time I looked he is still here, the contractor and developer in Detroit are Europeans and they are not leaving because we call an area African town yet, you call us races, what white supremacy school did you get you degree from?

You will not stop attacking Africans in Detroit, I think you know why Detroit is the way it is and it is not because of so called racism its because you left the city and maintained control of the infrastructure, real estate, news papers, radio and television stations, and now you are back dusking and refurnishing your building you never gave up ownership why is it that every time we put forward an ideal outside of European cultural you become mean spirited?, I must remind you , when we were relegated to small section in Americas cities, like, Harlem, Delray ,Paradise Valley, etc. you came to be entertained and you felt safe.

As I reflect on African history their is nothing in our pass to suggest that if African town come to be, it would be racist, you have plane vacations and lived in Africa every secant you enslave and colonize us. Were you getting this information that said African town is bad for Europeans and other? , you said that” immigrants, other minorities and Europeans would become second-class citizens and white as personae non grater”, like we are now! We sat and watch the other groups spared their cultural identify, our goal was naval to interfere with a cultural exhibiting it pride, remember most of the so call towns came to be after our present in Detroit,

I am amazed at how you have place yourself as having an opinion when it comes to how we decide to call the area that we will shop, entertain ourselves, in- gauge in economic development, live, etc., that a lot of nerves and arrogance, it reminds me of when you set out to civilized the planet.

How can Dr. Anderson slam the door on outside investors, when it is the outsider who owns Detroit, you said “the city would become an isolated backwater, cultural curiosity in an increasingly cosmopolitan nation” is insulting and illustrate your stupidity and ignorance of the facts, I must remind you of your history on this planet, you colonize most of the earth, enslave, raped, murder, took land, force your will and cultural on everyone whom you came in contact with, your history suggest that if their is any backwater it you.

We have engage you to treat us like you treat yourself you fought us with dog, gun, laws and deceptions, and lies, tourism, news papers, etc, maybe we are tired of your gifts, you are my child, you need to grow up and stop trying to determine what is best for African in Detroit. Your leaderships lie and cover- up facts and you have no ideal how off center you are in your views about the planet and your place in it. You begin your editorial with the word racism, Grosse Pointe, Ann Arbor, West Bloomfield ,Royal Oak, these are communities whose culture is emerged in Europe are they racist? And did their communities decline because they were segregated?

If we change the word race and replace it with culture would your conclusion hold? The issues between African and European are a cultural one and if we continue to argue with you over race you will maintain control. You say that Dr Anderson propose trump, the so call civil rights of Arabs, Asians and Hispanics, these are my children we are one in the same, the above are African, you comments reap of you ignorance Have you been in our community lately?

The Arabs own at lease 90% of all the party stores, gas station hardware stores, dollar stores, grocery stores, etc. European own the major retails stores, the Mexican are doing quite well, the Asians and the Italians have their share of the restaurants, and the Korean beauty supply business and all are well received in our community, let me follow your logic if we select a section in the city used tax dollars, (the city which is 81% African) to help with the infrastructure we will infringe on the other people rights?

Have you forgotten that you enslave us strip us of our cultural and ancestor tenacity, and insist that we mimic or assimilate your culture if we had a cultural to identity with Detroit would not look like you never left. We have been enslaved longer than so call freed. Was slavery our culture? I don’t think so we used your language English, we celebrate all of your holidays as if they were our Owen and some of my people think they are.

The 4th of July, Halloween, Christmas, Easter, Sweet Day, New Years etc., we gauge ourselves by your standards, our goal is to mimic or assimilate you’re cultural, and we look to NY, Paris. Italy, France, for the lasted fashions design, the goals of the civil rights movement was to get closer to you. The Arabs, Greeks, Mexicans, chins, etc. can’t tell the same story, that we tell, they were not stripped of their culture, What surprised me is that you see us as being different from you, that difference is superficial skin color, etc. you strip away all of our cultural identity, except that which is past on at the moment of conception coded in our DNA.

You have for years focus your time, money, intellect on our difference, I think you know that we are 99.9% identical, you have mange’s to convince us (people of color) to think of ourselves as racist and human, and you are the superior one, now you would deny us the opportunity to target a section in Detroit and call it African town, you should be honored that you are in the presence of the oldest people on the planet.

In 1987 a Berkeley biochemistry lab sent shock waves through the scientific community with the announcement that modern African genetic heritage had been traced back through time to the African very origin that origin occurred in Africa 200,000 years ago one Y chromosome study in the early 1990s concluded that this African was a pygmy living 200,000 years ago in the forest of what is call the Central Africa Republic

You are not trying to help the people of Detroit, if you were you would help us connect with our culture, dismantle the K-12 European education system, that we are force to fail, you begin you editorial with the word racism. What is a race of people? In African biology what is considered races are groups that are not distinct enough and never have been to be subspecies, individuals from any two African populations have always been able to intermingle and interbreed. We tend to choose mates from people living in similar social groups and in the same area; we possess different physical features that result from a combinations of geographic location and genetics inheritances

Are you referring to skin color the most commonly cited signature of racial differences, fewer than ten genes control the range or variation in our skin color, from the darkest to the lightest tones, these genes occur in every African to produce melanin skin pigments that can be black, brown, yellow or red. All Africans have the genetic capacity to be come black or white, or any shade in between it is the action or inaction of the enzyme tyrosinase that actually determines how light or dark my skin will be and that depends on the environment where I live, the wider apart two population live the more different can be counted between them.

I was surprised to see you begin your commits with that concept, scene you have taking a stand for what is right for the people of Detroit, am I to assume that you are a student of the so call classification of races; Caucasian, Mongoloid, Negroid, Capoid and Australoid by the Anthropologies Carleton Coon in the 1960s, it has no basic in biology and he was wrong for publishing that garbage and you are wrong for using that word and not doing your homework it don’t matter if every one on earth is using the word it wrong. It looks like this was a rush to judgment about African town.

Let me share another fact on the study of the African courtesy of the paleoanthropolgy, I know you used the word human, what is a human? Any member of the species Homo sapiens (wise African) the only living representative of the family hominid, a group of upright-walking primates with relatively large brains all humans are primates, 180 species of primates, we are essentially

African Apes, we share almost 99% of our genetic material, the information that codes for our proteins, bones, brains and bodies, humans also possess 46 chromosomes to an Apes 48; we are much nearer to them than we think, even if separated by millions of years. All of these species were successful some time for long period and went extinct 6-8 million years ago, except so call Lucy, this African did evolve and since we are the only living member of the hominid family, if you hear someone say I am a human, guest what they just said that they are a primate and an African

African diversity today, around the world we appear very different from each other there are differences in skin color, body size, limb-proportion, hair texture and other physical features, differences in dress and countless cultural customs, but our visible variety of size, shapes and features are remarkably similar beneath the surface of our skins, the genetic sequences of two unrelated individuals may be as much as 99.9% identical

You constantly complaint about how we” used ” your language , the point is it is your language not ours, Language whether spoken, written, picturegraph or symbolism exists in all African societies and exited in all known past societies, all of these languages possess complex rules of grammar and certain nonfunctional universal rules, between the age of two and three years, generally children in all cultural begin to assimilate language naturally without cues or classes from the experience and sensations around them the problems our children have learn English is it is not there language.

The different that separated us from the Arabs, Chine, Mexican, Greeks, etc. is their cultural identity, the two ingredient of a cultural is a language and creation myth on how they came to be, we were unfortunate to have been enslave and colonize and our language and creation myth eracaked and giving one in it place, we have a sub-cultural, a collection of personal story to tell, but no cultural, barbequing, dancing, picnics( pick-a-nigger),fish fry, Motown sounds, jazz ( ass music) music, baseball, basketball, wearing colorful European cloths, etc that not our cultural,.

We have been enslave longer thin so-called freed, was slavery our cultural? I don’t think so, we were using your language English, excepted you creation myth Christianity, celebrating your holidays as if they were our own, we gage ourselves by your standers, we have master been you so good until you think of us as you think of yourself, our goal was to mimic or assimilate your cultural, but now we have decided to look to Africa for a cultural identity perhaps. It’ will begin with African Town, faith and beliefs will always fight with truth.

"Getting the African to study his or her cultural before the arrival of the European in the 15th central is like iron trying to teach rocks how to rust."

I will leave you with a African proverb from the Lunda Ndembu people of Zambian “ often a lot smoke comes from a kitchen, but on inspection there are no more than one or two pieces of firewood; Meaning one must not be deceived by imposing external appearances, for in reality there may be little substance behind them.

Olayami Dabls
Executive Director
Mbad African Bead Museum/The America Black Artist

Dabls Wrote:

I greet you in the European language; Hello African.

On Sept. 22, 2004 I sent the wrong email out. I only
received one complaint on the original email; it was from an African
who was upset that I could do something like that. I emailed
him back with an apology, but I felt uncomfortable about the way he
worded his complaint, so I addressed my concern with him in a
follow up letter.

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Allafrikanman wrote:

If you are going to be sending out articles which address your particular point of view on a political topic--or anything for that matter--please take the time to READ your own words. Your article was practically impossible to read because it had the grammatical and spelling structure of a 4th grader! Your writing is atrocious.

DABLS wrote:

Frank,

I would like to address the manner in which you proceeded to check me about my use of the English language. From the tone of your letter you appear to be upset because I write on a fourth grade level; as if to say that there is something wrong with that.

Are you saying that I should not voice my opinion about politics because I wrote on a fourth grade level? Who died and left you in charge? Are you the gate keeper for the English language? The misuse of the English is a side issue with me, but I am concerned about an African with Arabic and European names who comes to the defense of the English language; who also spells Afrikan using the Germanic version. Many African languages matured long before the first European alphabet; and these languages had their own characters. (There are nine).

When I misused English, you did not inquire about my mother tongue; nor did you offer to proofread my materials. Instead, you attacked me. I am not your enemy, African. If you are interested in teaching me European grammar and spelling, I am willing to accept your offer. But do not try to make me feel guilty and bad; do not try to humiliate me---if that was your goal. My use of the English language does not mean you can disrespect me over some side issue. Your letter reminds me of the "Willie Lynch" letter; or maybe a Bill Cosby-ism.

You are not in charge so back [the fihck] off. (I know you don't like these European words). I will debate you any day, any time, any where---and let the people decide what is most important: grammar? spelling? or information? You referred to my letter as an "opinion". That is an interesting observation. Your comments suggest that your email address is a misnomer; it should be: EuropeanEnglishman@yahoo.com.

Olayame Dabls

Allafrikanman wrote:

Your writing proves just how strongly remedial education is needed for some people in our community. As I pointed out yesterday, your writing is so atrocious that it almost hurts to read it. It is so embarrassing to believe that someone with your obvious intellect writes in such a juvenile manner.

It would be interesting to hear from the other people who received your e-mail as to their opinions of you based on your writing. As I stated yesterday, before you send out a mass e-mail containing your views--political or otherwise--take the time to PROOFREAD your work!!! All the spelling errors, grammatical mis-steps, and run-on sentences indicate to the reader why a mind is a terrible thing to waste!

Dabls wrote:

"Education" are you saying speaking English and writing in English is the prerequisite for determine if someone had a "education", let see what it is, you are calling a education, taking African children forcing them to speech English, witch by the way was force on our ancestors years ago.

It the language of our formal "owner" it not my mother tongue and giving our children European base education K-12, forcing our children to learning about the European heroes and sheroes, all the disciplines are ground in European cultural, you are a product of that condition and trading Jamal, why do you think English is worthy of a defense from you a so called African, you are saturated in ignorance of who you are, don’t worry I can help you, if you can get over my use or miss use of English. Did you know giving our children a European education determined how they view the world?

We are in phase two of our fight for freedom it’s a mental fight over cultural identity which you are here defended the cultural we must remove from our psyche, that mean stop coming to the recur of his cultural especially his language. As African in America we must see the English language as a weapon not a emotional concern. Look for the meaning when our people used English do not feel as those you have a reasonability to correct us, remember you are the problem not the people who you say misuse English

Why dose my writing hurt you? If you are truly a wordsmith, the meaning of my writing is there. Why would you be ashamed of an African miss using a European language? am I to conclude that you are ashamed of the person in America, who read and Wright at a 4th and 6th grade lever are is it just me you expose you love of the European language to?

You said ” I am embarrassing you”; to whom, and who is it you don’t won’t to see my miss use of English? Jamal you said that I was intelligence but made grammatical and spelling mistakes, if it hurt you to read how can you determine that I am intelligent? Which would you rather be? Jamal a Master of English or intelligent?

Why would it be interesting to here from the other people in the community who received their email? I can tell you Jamal the only one to contact me were brother and sister offering to help me, most people know that my information was coming from my research and it was real and they look over my short coming or mistake and offer to help.

Did you coined the words spelling errors, grammatical, miss-step and run-on sentences? These are values that European use to control and guarantee the continuation of the English language, from your letter you have no ideal what language is, take note.

African this language you are defended criticize us for our non-linear and non- phonetically based writing systems and labor it as inferior attempt at the real thing ,English and thus, have been marginalized, only recently has it been recognized that there are many writing systems in west Africa. That doesn’t fit European standers.

Fraenkel (1965, p.) defines writing as an acquired arbitrary system of visual marks with which people who the represented language can communicate. You are not an Englishman so quite trying to govern there language Jamal.

Hunter and Whitten ( 1976,p409) also view writing as communication by means of a system of conventional graphic symbols which may be carved, incised, impressed, painted, drawn, or printed in a wide verity of media.

English and Russian rely on alphabets, Latin English, other writing systems such as Japanese, use visual marks that correspond to different speech segments, other like Chinese, encode meaning units, or morphemes, Yoruba used knots and ties in non-linear form to communicate remember Frank we live for 45,000 years with grammar and spelling.

Caring our mythology in head transmitting the legends orally from one generation to the next generation, beads and sculpture was an additional language through witch we expressed our inner life and communicated with the sprit world. A language of visual communication, used from birth to transformation (deaf) virtually every act in our life had its ritual and every rite had its approached bead and sculpture.

Lighted up on this obsession over English it not as important as you think it is. Jamal I feel it in your best interest to keep this communication between you and me, if you like I will email it to my list of 300 people and you send it to your list and ask them to vote on grammar, spelling or information?

Your quest to have every African in the community specking perfect English is different, why not get every African in the community to realize that he is not a European and English is not his or her mother tong. If you are going to teach our children, teach them about Africa not Europe our further lies in Africa not in weather we know European grammar or spelling, did you know that the rule of European spelling and sentence structure doesn’t hold true with our languages?

Has the European rewarded you for keeping his language alive in this African community? Remember you called me “intelligent”, I called you a Europeanenglishman with no clue as to how” stupid” you come across to me, trying to check me about another cultural language, that has enslaved me oppressed me and condition me to attack me for miss using his language.

You need to look in a mirror and you will see a mind that has been trained and condition to thank that you are an African, but you are so fare up in Europe, that you think you have a right to defend the use or miss use of English. Europeans don’t give a [“Fdsik”] about and your version of his English.

Jamal this is the irony I email you a copy of a Detroit News article and a respond I wrought, you chose not to address what the editors said about Detroit and it African citizens and you by the way, the paper was disrespectful, insulting, mean spirited and arrogant and you could only focus on my miss using English, did you let them live because they were grammatically correct? I would like to read your respond to the same article, Jamal.

Show me what you got Jamal, write a respond to that article, show me that there is some substantive to the grammar master. I would like to read what this English scholar has to say, to the people whom language he worship. My motto is call em out with good or bad English. Unbeknown to you Frank, you are helping to keep his cultural alive in us

Allafrikanman wrote:

My point was not to attack your opinion since you are more than entitled to have that. My point was simply to say that if you are sending out mass e-mails--of which I found out I was one of those whom you sent this UNSOLICITED e-mail to--then take the time to check what you write. I could barely make out two sentences of your poorly composed letter before I gave up in frustration. Effective communication--whatever the political content it may carry--is BEST carried out when it is not riddled with spelling and grammatical errors. I would expect this type of composition from a fourth grader, NOT someone who chooses to send mass e-mails( commonly referred to as "spam"). I also noticed in your follow-up letter that you took the time to properly structure your grievance against me. It seems my complaint against you got you so pissed you did your job!! So it would seem I helped you after all.(smile).

Well structured communication is the approach you should take with all your correspondence. I learned this proper use of communication from Malcolm X, Minister Farrakhan, Martin Luther King, Jr. and many others in the liberation struggle. Please go back and re-read in particular Malcolm's autobiography and his views on education and communication.

In closing, for future reference, you may want to get a person's PERMISSION before you send them e-mails. I do not like receiving "spam" and the only reason I attempted to read yours is that I felt you had an opinion relative to our struggle that needed to be heard. But as I pointed out, your poor writing skills killed any chance I could take you seriously as an informed and educated person-- which your follow-up letter proved beyond doubt.

Jamal, a proud follower of The Honorable Louis Farrakhan

Allafrikanman

"Forward ever, Backwards, NEVER!r"

Too Black Too Strong

Dabls wrote:

Jamal,

Spam is not the issuer or reason why we are communicating, are you back tracking?, I know of three ways you could have deal with my original email; send me a email asking me to removed your address from my email- list, contacted yahoo and completed about me spamming you, or block my email from entering your mail box.

By the way you were not spam I included my email address, phone number, web address and name of my organization it was not a spam, you decided to give me a lesson in English grammar and spelling. and you bit off more than you can chew. This is the first time you said anything about spam. Too late!

The only reason you are on my mailing list is because, your email said allafrikanman, but after talking to you and listing at you crying over someone eases language. You remind me of one of Aesop fables; when he visited Delphi, he was so disappointed at the place which had such a worldwide reputation for deity learning and wisdom .

That he told the following fable to some acquaintances " some people standing at the seaside saw an object on the ocean coming toward them, a great ways off, which had all the appearance of being some thing , of importance, but when it came close enough to be discernible they found it to be a great mass of weeds and rubbish", such as I find to be the curiosity that drawn me to your email address Jamal.

You are the first educated African I have talk to in a long time and I am not impress imagine that? An African with a fourth grade writing skill lever, is not impress by your European education, you chose to used that word, it mean you are condition to think you are smarter than Africans, but dormer than the Europeans. Case in point you decided to check my spelling and grammar, yet you did not respond to the European editorial.

You don’t come across as been a knowledgeable African, educated may be? What exactly do you mean by "effective communication"? I took the liberty of submitting your letter.

The one I am responding to now, and submitted it to Microsoft office outlook's spelling and grammar check. Gust what Jamal? You had three misspell words and you write on a 10th grade level, also Jamal I submitted my letter the one you attack me over.

all the misspelled words and bad grammar; it said I write on a 12th grade leaver, I fine that to be puzzling. Jamal your skill doesn’t measure up to European standers.

I remember Joe Louise saying," if you” gotter” tell somebody who you is, you ant it" Jamal are you saying in the liberation struggler there is no room for someone who spell bad and used bad grammar. Who are you trying to liberate?

Frank I thank you know that you are not as smart as you are trying to convey to me and name dropping is not going to help you, Malcolm X did not Wright his book, Minister Farrakhan has people writhing and proof reading for him, Dr. King had writer and proof readers, I saying this to say you don’t know if they made grammar or spelling mistakes. These men are famous because they were knowledgeable not" educated."

The tone and reference you made to me about spam, are you about to end our discussion? You have got to get over been frustrated by my use of the English language, and lower your expectation about my ability to Wright and spell.

Repeat after me Jamal, Ficek English grammar and spelling, did I say that? Just joking I know grammar and spelling is important. .

No Jamal you are wrong I did not take the time to" properly structure" my so called” grievance” (or you sure you want to use that word?) against you. One of the people whom I sent the email agree to proofread my work and help me address undercover Europeans posing as Africans, I am talking about you.

Every time you open your mouth you telegraphy who you are and so for all the signatures are saying, you are a lover of English, if you love his language, you will come to his defense! And I notice that you used a lot of cliché, meaning it not you speaking, Frank..

The issuers you raise about Africans using or misusing English is my pet pea I am a self appointed spoke person for the Africans who speech so called bad English and can't spell. This discussing is much larger than you, English is holding us hostages we need, in the Detroit public schools. An African language taught K-12, perhaps one of the Bantu languages; because it's one of the roots Language in Africa.

Would you like for me to send you a revised copy of my letter to the Detroit News? One that is "correct" it appeared it was writing for you to Jamal.

This is a poem I wrought a few years back to illustrate our concerns or feeling about our personal matters and European values, and no concerns or feeling about our ancestors memory's, I will shear it with you,

It title: “Why am I mad?"

I am mad because my wife left me for another man or woman, not because 180 millions Africans were killed in the middle passage.

I am mad because my wife took my family away from me, not because I was enslaved for 400 years and colonized for over 200 years.

I am mad because my wife said she wish she had never met me, not because I am speaking the language of my formal" slave master", as my mother tongue.

I am mad because my wife said she hated me, not because I have embrace someone eases belief system, about a creation myth, which is counter productive to me.

I am mad because I am more concern about my personal problems, than those, that grip my people and threaten there self worth and quality of life.

I am mad because my wife accuse me of molesting my children, not because millions of African were molested, rape and force to become baby machine to meet the domain for enslave African labor.

This is an add-on for you Frank. I am mad because this EuropeanEnishman@yahoo.com is trying to get me, to appreciate the final qualities of my enslaver’s language.

Allafrikan Wrote:

Since you obviously are unaware of what I am trying to do, I see I have to do as you alluded to in this e-mail: please remove me from your mail list. It is pointless and idiotic to correspond with you further. Any other mail from you will result in my contactingm your ISP and file a harrassment claim.

Dabls wrote::

Jamal,

You misspell harassment and contacting, also Microsoft outlook spelling and grammar check say this email is on a 6.6 grade level

I will leave you with another African proverb," It is not wise to allow another to know all your thoughts.

Olayame Dabls 1 0f 2

I mail our views to my E-mail list of 300 address.

Dabls Wrote:

I greet you in the European language; Hello African.

On Sept. 22, 2004 I inversely sent the wrong email out. I only
received one complaint on the original email; it was from an African
who was upset that I could do something like that.

I emailed him back with an apology, but I felt uncomfortable about the way he
worded his complaint, so I addressed my concerns with him in a
follow up letter. This is part two of our exchanges

I have received numerous responses to my email # 1 of 2. For the
record, I was at war with Jamal's ideals, not the African man. I know Jamal is a member of my community. I can not and will not forget that
fact. Let's not forget the first step toward peace is war.

When the Arabs and Europeans encountered us, we were at peace and at
war with each other. We were doing crude things to each other; we
were respecting each other and we had built great nation and we had destroyed grate nation.

They still enslaved and colonized and took our land from all of us ( African). When you say let's not fight each other and love each other; that is not a course of action. Remember in any encounter you will have two choices: fight or flight. If you chose to fight, your enemy he or she must prove to, you that peace is the solution. Remember in any kind of war three are heroes on both sides.

I presented my case in the strongest way possible with information and
*facts* I flavored my comments with selected words for shock value only.
I was not engaged in a emotional disagreement with my brother Jamal. If I
saw Jamal today I would embrace him like I would do a friend.

We disagreed over the tool English, I respect Jamal and from his
comments he is a positive influence in the community and in his own way
he was protecting me, my children, my elders and my wife.

I felt his spirit through his words and he is a honorable African, also this was
not a personal attack on him, but I will dismantle ideals that work
against the continuation of my kind.

As we air our differences, remember we have been studied so
extensively until the European knows what our reaction will be for any
situation, so let's not fool ourselves about that fact.

Our secret is in knowing ourselves; which is in the beads,

textiles, sculptures, etc. They embody our system of thought and

philosophy. If you do not know 50% of the 700 African cultural relics
( also known as African Art styles) what is you point?

Brainwashing and mind control is never detected by the victim. The
internet was not invented for Africans or people of color, it's growth
and development will not be determined by how Africans use it.

Peace, love, respect, hate, justice, do the right thing, urban,
ethnic, cultural, morals, educated, intelligence, smart, race, human,
civilization, primitive, unwed mother, African children, black on black
crime, African American, inter city schools, entitlements,

African-American females or males, etc. these words are codified.

We have done unbeliever thing in a cultural that is not our own,

now it is time to represent mighty Africa. No one really know

the future, but with 10,000 African guess increases our odds of knowing.

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The following is the final letter Jamal wrote to me.

2 of 2

allafrikanman wrote:

First thing:

The Detroit News has long had a history of racist behavior. Anything they say reagrding our community I view as suspect. I felt no need to answer their editorial because of their long-standing hostility to ANY of our freedom fighters--like Coleman Young, The Republic of New Afrika, The Black Panther party and DRUM--and our rights of self-determination--like their stance against Afrikan-centered academies and affirmative action. If you felt their view in this case was consistent with yours, then you have that right to feel so. You will notice I NEVER attacked your viewpoint; as I said before, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO YOUR VIEWS! What I viewed as a point of contention was how you chose to express yourself--which was very, very poorly.

I have been working in the media--radio, TV, film, and music--for 25 years. In addition, I have a degree in Communications from Wayne State University. However, what I learned from the teachings of Malcom X influenced me most. Malcolm once said that if two people meet and one of them is speaking English and the other one is speaking German, effective communication is therefore impossible. One person needs to speak what the other person understands in order for a dialogue to happen. Although Malcolm used this example to illustrate why non-violence will not work in the face of an enemy using violence, it still works nonetheless to describe what communication is--and is not.

Dabls wrote:

1s thing (" If you felt their view in this case was consistent with yours, then you have that right to feel so".), What up with this comment?
Frank, I will begin my discussion with you this time with two African
proverbs." Words can kill a man, no knife in need." and " If the scorpion
hurt you, you hurt him too." Your answer to my question reaps of
self-serving nonsense. You lack the intellect to respond to that
article. Your greatest accomplishment is grading my letter for grammatical and spelling mistakes.

To become a warrior you must be in the forefront of battle and not by
remaining at home. Let me give you a Dabls proverb." If a European attack
me, my people, my city, my organizations, my self determination (what
ever that means..) I will attack back---the same day. If a history
of his attack is recorded, there will also be a record of me attacking
him blow for blow."

Get yourself an attorney so he or she can tell you to shut the fake up.
Did I say that? Every time you open your mouth you incriminate yourself.
Why is it that you keep cloaking yourself with our institutions and
scholars? If they read your comments they would put a disclaimer on you.

Let me say again "there is one race on this planet and it is African."
We use that word without asking what is a race ? There is only one race
on this planet.

Name me one African conference where it was decided that we had a right
to an independent opinion? That statement is grounded in European
philosophy and it's foundation is based on European democracy; it was
never meant for you. We were enslaved when that ideal was shared among
Europeans in this country.

When the European begins to expose us to his creation myths and ideas
about civilization and democracy, it was the end of true democracy--In
Africa.

The land called Africa and other names at different times, was the
hallmark of democracy, 1,000s of languages and creation myths coexisted.
This so-called democracy is governed by one cultural group: European,
one official language: English, one creation myth: Christianity.

If you were to study your people's system of thought and philosophy
you would know that tradition was the most important issue from birth to
transformation(death) not this so-called right to do what the fake you
wanted.

"express yourself which was very, very poorly" Is this your attempt at
being intellectual? Your love for English raise its ugly head again
Frank. Is this opium based on your understanding of the European
language? Or was the use of his language taught to you? Or is it
intuitive knowledge?

Why would you make a value judgment on someone else's language? And
never question the fact that you have been denied by the same European
to speak your mother tongue? Which one is important to you Frank? You
know my answer.

Remember he lives in you! I have fought him by not completely giving
up, you should give me an award, not try to get me to come over to the
English side and join you. There is a world without
English. Ask some of the millions of Africans.

You are still coming to the defense of His language, stop it now, no more foolishness about my poor grammar and bad spelling.

Why are you invoking Malcolm X? He can't help you. I love it when you
try to impress me with your 25 years of working in communications and
your degree in communication from Wayne State.

I will be nice and not say anything bad about Wayne, but I will say this much---it is a European school for" higher learning" with an African studies department
in a city of 800,000 Africans.

Back to your communication studies. What's up with this quote? ("none
the less of to describe what communication is and is not") What did you
learn about communication?

Did they teach you about our non- linear ways of writing and sending messages? Since you think you know something about communication; what do you know about how our Ancestors communicated? With beads, adornments, music etc.?

Beads, masks, textiles, sculptures can acquire extraordinary importance
as visual records endowed with complex meaning and serve as repositories
of tradition knowledge.

They are dense concentration of our ancestors wisdom that must be preserved and transmitted to succeeding generations.

Traditionally we sing, dance and played musical instruments
spontaneously. Music was far more important than you could ever imagine
in the daily lives of our ancestors. Music was part of everyday work,
rites, spirituality, wars, ceremonies, etc.

It was also used for communication Jamal, many villages had no written
language, so we sent messages by word of mouth, through singing,
blowing, and signal whistling or by using the talking drums, which
imitate tonal language.

People such as the Ewe, Yoruba, Ashanti, Kongo, and Ibo, just to name a
few had no difficulty in understanding the messages communicated. I see
you sitting there checking for grammatical and spelling mistakes. All kinds
of messages were sent to announce the birth of a child, marriages,
death, dances, initiation ceremonies, war, etc.

News Bulletin Frank, while you were holding on to English's scrotum
sack; on July 7 2004; 90,000 Bambuti were attacked and killed in the
Democratic Republic of the Congo for their mineral-rich land. This was a
campaign of extermination of the Bambuti, the original inhabitants of
the equatorial forests. I know you are asking "what the fake this have
to do with communication?"

In the 1970s the Bambuti land was designated a forest reserve, but
today the park is full of European employees( Africans) mining Ore
Coltan; the heart of the cell phone and laptops industry.

The decision was made Jamal--kill all the Bambuti and take all the coltan--you know part of that effective communication you were talking about earlier.

The only place on the planet where coltan is reachable is in the DRC. The
Europeans are slaughtering Africans today so that they and you can have
effective communications.

When you are in the middle of the river don't insult the crocodile. On
your "second thing" the 25 years was a waste of time if what you said
summarizes it?

I hope they paid you well? That media research you shared with me is

based on the Europeans response and behavior-not Africans.

When the European does research on us they announce it as

"African American" findings.

My views are not political they are cultural, have you be reading? ( Is
my grammatical and spelling mistakes too difficult for you to read? )

Are you using that word loosely or philosophically?

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allafrikanman wrote:

Second thing:

As I mentioned, I have been involved in the media for nearly 25 years. One of the truths discovered by those working in the media is that for every letter of complaint or praise that is received, at LEAST 30 others felt the same way and simply did not bother to write about it. This fact is what the TV and radio ratings from Nielsen and Arbitron respectively are based on. When you chose to mass distribute your political views and opinions, you opened up those views and opinions for others to comment on and criticize. I started to read your piece but could not get past how ineffective your writing structure was. Not just grammar, but simple spelling issue you missed such as the proper way to spell "Chinese". When I saw that you did not take the time to even proofread your letter--or get someone who could do for you if YOU could not--I knew you probably did not take the time to research your viewpoint on the topic of "African Town". It too, judging from the sloppiness of your letter, was probably hastily composed. People form first opinions from the visual and verbal cues presented to them. For example, if you were approached by a young brother on the street whose pants were sagging off his ass and who was using profanity every other word in addressing you, your first impression of him would be a far different one than that of a brother who was well dressed (whether in Afrikan OR European attire) and who spoke to you more respectfully. This is a fact of human nature. My impression of you--since I do not believe we ever met--is that you throw together ideas and simply send them out without first checking the facts or the validity of your position. By using as "proof" of your viewpoint an editorial from a paper long known for its racist practices only served to bolster my belief that you are presenting a half-baked, half-assed position.
Dabls wrote:

2nd THING

My release of that email was not a time issue; it was inversely
released by me. Any points that I made that you take an issue with or
disagree with let me know or give me your counter view. Oh, I forgot
it's so poorly written you cannot describe what I am saying. The knot
tied by a Wiseman cannot be undone by a fool.

Jamal, it was not about knowing about the issue. I responded to the
total disrespect penned in that editorial. Are you totally insensitive
to a European attacking you in his or her writing?

It was the concept, the mental picture, the ideal that attracted me to defend African town. I will not waver on that point. For an "allafrikanman" who is eating out of the English's anus; is this your best defense for loving
English? As a fowls I will not spare a cockroach that falls in my midst.

Some of the statements you are making is babbling, but I will try and
address some of you points. The young brother with the pants down below
the ass are well dressed too, their clothes are oversized.

In Nigeria, the Cameroon., Ghana etc. African male wear pants called shokatos where the seat of the pants stop at the knees and they look just like
the pants worn by our youth. Is this another one of your concerns like
grammar and spelling?

If the sisters did not like the styles it would cease to be by now.
Remember Jamal they are on exhibit for the sisters. The profanity issue,
I can see where this would be a problem with you because it is not
acceptable English and considered to be a sign of ignorance.

What are you defining as profanity? The words we coined in this country to talk
about the European? I know this one is on your list "nigger" you would
agree with me on this point, it was the European who gave us this one,
we like the sound of it and it can take on a different meaning in various conversations.

The word Negro is neither an African concept nor an African word; it is
of Portuguese and Spanish origin from the word meaning black, and was
first used about 1550. Prior to the European in Africa each culture had
its own name and each individual identifies himself by membership in a
group. Our affiliation with this word is because the European defined us
as Negro.

Repeat the above statement every time you here our youth use
the word nigger and you will be fine. I recall reading about the term "
mother fucker" from a paper by Dr. Tony Martin he said (I am
paraphrasing him).

"It originated in the islands, this young man would see the owner of us coming , and he new that he was going to rape his mother so he would say to his friend here come the mother fucker." Most of the so-called profanity has it's roots in our __expression of how the European was treating and still treat us

As for the young African who are dressed in different clothing, I could
conclude that they are all young African males; one is wearing African
clothes and the other two is wearing European clothes.

One spends his money and it went directly to Africa and the other two money went to a European, who probably had the cloths made in China. The example you used said a lot about you Frank, not our youth.

Let me take you back to Africa, in any part of the county before the
arrival of the European before 1550 we adorned ourselves to reflect the
community we were from, it was a form of visual communication.

I could tell your lineage, your rank, the awards you have received, if you were
married, divorced, pregnant, looking for a mate, engaged, etc. by the way you wore you beads, adornments and textiles. Our youth are carrying on the tradition, (although indirectly). They are saying they don't want to look like you, in other words they don't want to be like you
Frank.

I will say this again there is no "human"; it's a technical term for
dead primates. A human is any member of the species Homo sapiens. A
group of upright-walking primates with relatively large brains, homo
representing a number of bipedal species that evolved along different
evolutionary lines.

all of those species was successful some time for long periods and all went extinct 6 to 8 million years ago except so-called Lucy.

This African was a" pygmy" 200,000 years old and she is
us, we are the only living member of the hominid family Jamal. If you
hear someone say that they are a human, it's a "scholarly" way of saying I
am an African.

When did we become human? Was it doing the enslavement or
the colonization period? Was it after our so-called freedom? After the
civil rights movement? That term was invented to fool you and give
Europeans an origin independent of us ( back in the day).

Another News bulletin, Jamal-- prior to 1960 there was no races, the
so-called classification of races: Caucasian, Mongoloid, Negroid, Capoid
and Australoid by Anthropologist Carleton Coon in the 1960s.

He was wrong for publishing that garbage; read the American Association of
Physical Anthropologist official statement on race. You are wrong for
using that word and not doing your homework. It don't matter if every
one on earth is using the word it's wrong.

Jamal you must realize most of the Europeans thought enslaving Africans
and colonize people of color was right and they had European "scholars" to
prove it was correct. During the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries,
European went on to colonize most of the most of people of color (
African).

later they would colonize world "scholarship", mainly the
writing of (his-story). During this period, most of his history books
were written to justify the trading in Africa and the colonial system
that followed.

During the sixties and seventies European scholars were
trying to prove that we were some dumb mother" fakers." Behind that back
drop you would use a word like race without investigating it origin?

You used the word "belief" as if it was a definitive word, the word
belief means what you are about to say has no basis in fact or what you
have said has no basis in fact. It's like the words faith and
thinking--at most it's a disclaimer about what you are about to say.

What do you know besides good grammar, good spelling and name dropping?
By the way Frank I will quote one of the Africans whom name you dropped,
Dr. Ben "You need to be shot with do-do".

---

allafrikanman wrote:

Third Point:

You keep bringing up the point that English is not your native tongue. THEN WHY ARE YOU CHOOSING TO CONVERSE IN IT?????? This is like me stepping in a boxing ring with Mike Tyson, getting my ass kicked, and later complaining that Tyson should have been more patient with me because boxing is not my sport of choice. If you feel your views and opinions can be effectively conveyed in another way, choose that way and send them. If, however, you choose to continue to mass distribute your views in this "decadent', "wicked", language of our slave masters, then at least--like Frederick Douglass, Malcolm X, James Baldwin, Harriet Tubman, George Jackson, Asaata Shakur, JA Rogers, Dr. John Henrik Clarke, Minister Louis Farrakhan(PBUH), Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr, Alice Walker, Alex Haley, Dr. Huey P. Newton, Fred Hampton, Dr Josef Ben-Jochannon, Dr. John Hope Franklin, Richard Wright, Amiri Baraka, Angela Davis, Donald Goines, Les Brown, Ramona Afrika, Geronimo Pratt, Chuck D, Jesse Jackson, Chokwe Lmmba, Toni Morrison, and many, many others--learn the language first!!!

Jamal

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mbadmuseum wrote:

3rd point

Jamal,

I will address the first sentence, but the rest is again an exercise in
babbling. I never referred to the European as being "decadent", "wicked
language" nor did I used the word "slave master". I said enslave
Africans, there is a difference.

I am amazed about your name dropping, but I am elated that you listed
J. A. Rogers( not JA Rogers), it was from one of his books I read this fable: This
stagecoach was being robbed and this lady ask Aesop to use his words of
wisdom to stop the bandit. Aesop replied "it would be a pity to prostitute
words of wisdom to rascals incapable of understanding them." I feel the
same way about talking to you Jamal.

Now back to why I don't speak another language. In my original letter
I deal with this point Frank, but I will repeat it. I keep forgetting
that letter was so poorly written. Language, whether spoken, writing,
picture-graph or symbolism exists in all African societies, all of these
languages possess complex rules of grammar and certain non-functional
universal rules.

Between the ages of two and three years, generally children in all cultures begin to assimilate language, naturally without cues or classes from the experience and sensation around them.

Let me say this another way Frank, the language you speak is referred to as
your "mother tongue" and I had no choice in this language I speak. The
language you speak is not your choice. Are you trying to blame my mother
for speaking English? I will say it for you; The European forced his language on my ancestors.

Different cultures learn each other's language for all kinds of reasons, but when it's forced on you that's a different matter. I'm under no obligation to speak, talk, write, or read English "correctly ". Although there are times when this is a matter that needs
attention; this is not one of them.

Quote me correctly, I said "it is not our mother tongue and we are not
Englishmen." Are you implying I ought not to remind you of your love for
another mans language? Your question reminded me of a bumper sticker I
saw in the 1970s it said " love America or leave it".

The best way for most of us to learn is through repetition saying or
reading it over and over. If I (or you) say you are not an Englishman
enough it may sink-in.

The languages of Africa--I know words and phase in Yoruba, Suneke, Twa,
Hausa, Swahili, Bamum, Fulani, and Mandingue. Did you know that Africa is
classified by language instead of by county, language is the most
accurate and easily understood method of identifying cultural groups in
Africa.

It makes sense if you consider the fact that Africa was shaped
into countries and nations, as we know them today by a bunch of European
politicians in Berlin Germany who gathered together in 1885 to divide
the riches of Africa amongst the European nations such as France,
England, Germany, Portugal, Spain and Belgium, the Dutch etc. Do you still feel
the need to defend this European language?

The main group of language are those spoken in Africa South of the
equator, West Africa, North- East Africa and North Africa the major
languages are; Bantu, Khoi-San, Semitic, Berber and Arabic. It is
estimated that more than 2,000 names are used for peoples and language
in Africa.

Each name may have several forms, spelled according to the
language in which it is used. The following is a list of known African
language with a written scripts: Moroccan, Hausa, Swahili, Tuareg, Vai,
Mende, Bamum, Coptic, Ancient Egyptian, Fulfulde, Amharic and there were
others.

You ask me why did I not write in an African language: First I
don't speak one, Second," allafrikanman", none of these languages use
Alphabets; you would need a translator.

If I used an African language to write in using English alphabets you would not know what the fake I am saying.

Example: Imbali yimbali ngokuqkakaza icimezile yimbali ngokushiwo. What was your point? This is a question you should ask the European who develop our K-12 curriculum for African children, don't blame the victim or the messenger.

A man of power may be right or wrong, but he is always be right. The only
message I get from you is, you must go to school and learn how to
conduct yourself, have good grammar and spelling skills so that the
European will employ you.

Is that self determination? Jamal, it is clear in your letters that you are mimicking European culture and are in denial about your emotional connection to English grammar and spelling when you talk about the 25 years you worked in communication and the one thing you reference was a Nielsen and Arbitron report about how European act as a group, and you actually thought they were talking about Africans in this country. This illustrates your thinking and frame of
thought.

When Dr. Ben used the phrase "educated fool, did it occur to you that
he was talking about you? "allafrikanman", look around you and you will
see an absence of African symbolism, vibrant colors, culture relics,
textiles, beadworks, languages, foods, clothing, music, etc.

Yet we are a community of over 800,000 Africans, yes I know there are those who say,
" I am not an African"," I was born in America" and" I dont know anything about Africa".

My answer is ignorance and denial don't mean that we are not African and the mere passing of
time can't deny us that fact or the middle passages.

Enslavement, reconstruction, segregation, integration, our
participation in the European wars, the civil rights movement, so-called
racism, practicing Christianity or Islam, assimilation, speaking
English, earning degrees, accepting someone else's creation myths,
none of these events from our past robbed us of our Africanism. We are
African because of our DNA. Which is passed on at the moment of
conception.

The question you should ask: "why are we acting like European?" The
answer is because we are consumed by his culture, language and he
determines what our children learn K-12 and beyond.

I thought I made a mistake in sending the wrong email out, but after talking with you , it was the greatest thing to happen to me this year. It afforded me the
opportunity to slap you up side the head and perhaps wake your sleeping
ass up.

I am not ashamed or embarrassed about the email I sent out. I have never
felt bad or pondered my inability to spell or understand grammar, but I
am concerned about an African calling himself "allafrikanman "and
defending European culture at the expense of his own. That is
problematic to me.

" Grant me the serenity to accept the people I cannot change, the
courage to change the ones I can, and the wisdom to know its me." DID
YOU WRITE THIS?

As I reflect on the hours I have spent addressing your issues, I am
reminded of one of Lockman fables, " A fly buzzing around, full of its
own importance finally lit on the horns of the bull and said "let me
know if I am too heavy for you and I will take myself off." The bull
replied "who are you?, I did not know when you came nor shall I know when
you leave."

Olayame Dabls

Africanstorian

Mbad African Bead Museum

 

I don remember who said this If we were to go to war with the Europeans today, we would have to spend the first 3 to 4 months killing African.

Part 2 of 2

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Here come the peace maker?

Peace and Progress,

 

I know and respect both of you, Jamal and Dabl. I have read the e-mail exchanges between the two of you and been tempted to respond, but I tried hard not to. In the interest of peace and African development, I now feel that I should offer my viewpoint.

Both of you make points that are essentially correct. First, English is the language of our oppressors. It is an enemy language that was forced on us. We should not assign value to each other based on the degree to which we have mastered the language. That kind of thinking smacks of elitism and classism.

Secondly, in spite of English being the language of our oppressors, we should use it effectively. This is particularly true for those of us who use spoken and written language to raise the consciousness of our community. Even if we look at English as a foreign language, we should strive to know and use the rules of the language that help other speakers and readers of the language to understand what we mean.

I must tell you Brother Dabl, that reading your e-mails was very laborious. Your numerous grammar, spelling and usage areas forced me to read some sentences two or three times before understanding what you were trying to convey. I would respectfully suggest to you, that for the sake of clearly communicating your ideas in writing to others ( not out of paying hommage to Europeans and their languages), that you take the time to improve your writing skills. While I struggled at times to understand your writing, I clearly understand your verbal communication.

I am more than certain that you would not find it acceptable for your children to exhibit poor grammar, spelling and usage in their writing of English.

There is not an "either or" relationship between "Grammatic and Spelling Mistakes" and "Information." Both are important. Our cultural precepts and ancestral examples demand that we exhibit excellence in all that we do.

Finally, the tone of the e-mails exchanged between the two of you was insulting. If, in fact, this is a war between ideas, then the personal insults exchanged between the two of you are non-productive.

Perhaps the two of you need to schedule a series of meetings in which Dabl teaches Jamal about Afrikan symbology and adornment, and Frank gives Dabl some lessons in grammar in spelling. If that were to occur, the beef between the two of you could be squashed, both of you would be enhanced, and the best interests of our community would be served.

Respect,

Mark

Dabls Wrote:

I greet you in the language of the European American

War and knowledge,

“He who begins a conversation, dose not foresee the end” With respect, you ego is bigger than you head. It appears you are trying to package your comments in a African system of thought, If so, I am your elder, and you did not ask my permission to address me with your complaints. There are reasons why the elder is respected ; he or she has accumulated more birth years and he or she is wiser and have a warehouse of wisdom.

With respect, you remind me of the European who came to Africa in the late 15th and 16th centuries with a bagful of egoism. They believed in the superiority of there cultural and civilization. They came with firm pre-conceived doctrines and a set of unwavering assumptions.” A wise man who knows proverbs reconciles difficulties”. I read you letter three times I could not fine one proverb.

Your email is full of assumptions, Your first assumption is you stated you new me ,I say you don’t know my views on English. This issuer is not about you known me, I am calling you, English lover out, one-by-one. I was surprise to hear from you. ”When you shake the tree you navel know what will fall”, also, Jamal and I did not need you to appoint yourself as the “ mediator, in my letter I said the following about Jamal

”I was not engaged in an emotional disagreement with my brother Jamal. If I
Saw Jamal today I would embrace him like I would do a friend.

We disagreed over the tool English, I respect Jamal and from his
Comments he is a positive influence in the “community” and in his own way
He was protecting me, my children, my elders and my wife.

I felt his spirit through his words and he is an honorable African, also this was
Not a personal attack on him, but I will dismantle ideals that work
Against the continuation of my kind”

Jamal had sent me three emails I had responded to two of them, the second one I responded to, he ask me not to email him again, see below, I Honored his request. I was addressing his last email when he decided to abort his mission. I sent my response to his last email. It was the one you are responded to .I welcome your comment, all those you tried to disguise them as a neutral party looking for peace “ Do not mend your neighbor’s fence before looking to your own”.

: the foiling is what Jamal said and by the way he had two miss spelled words

allafrikanman wrote:

“ Since you obviously are unaware of what I am trying to do, I see I have to do as you alluded to in this e-mail: please remove me from your mail list. It is pointless and idiotic to correspond with you further. Any other mail from you will result in my contactingm your ISP and file a harrassment claim.”

DABLS WROTE:

For the record Jamal contacted me first, for the same reasons you did, bad grammar and bad spelling. I ASK YOU THE SAME Question, did you response to the Detroit news article? it was also in this dialogue.

Mark Wrote:

I must tell you Brother Dabl, that reading your e-mails was very laborious. Your numerous grammar, spelling and usage areas forced me to read some sentences two or three times before understanding what you were trying to convey. I would respectfully suggest to you, that for the sake of clearly communicating your ideas in writing to others ( not out of paying hommage to Europeans and their languages), that you take the time to improve your writing skills. While I struggled at times to understand your writing, I clearly understand your verbal communication “

Dabls Wrote:

Just for the record my names is spelled Dabls, the word HOMMAGE has only one M ( misspell ) and you used the wrong word AREAS ( grammar ) it should have been ERRORS, when every I feel like checking the correct spelling of a word I ask somebody or I used a dictionary, when I am debating a wordsmith or admire of the English language I consult Microsoft outlook spelling, grammar and readability statistic check.

It said the letter you sent me is on a 9.3 grade level and my letter witch you clamed to be” Laborious to read, numerous grammar, spelling and usage errors”, was on a 12th grade level. How could that happen? May be, information is more important then grammar and spelling?.

I respectfully disagree with you on most of your points. I am concern about you ideals on the important of English. I have not pondered my inability to spell or understand grammar, I thought I had made that clear with Frank, With respect Who died and left you in charge? I will not wait to get you approval or others about when it time for me to voice my opinion..

I am aware of my forth grade level writing and speaking skills I have except that, I am grateful that you “ laborious” stayed and tried to read my email, I never said that I am a member of the group who are trying to “ raise the consciousness of our community” what every that mean I am passing on Information and my view about English. “ To one who does not know, a small garden is a forest.”

 

I was not aware that the Europeans had a rule that said, don try and express yourself in writing with out mastering grammar and spelling.

Mark Wrote:

”There is not an “ either or relationship between “ grammatical and Spelling Mistakes” and “ information” Both are important Our Cultural precepts and ancestral examples demand that we exhibit excellence in all that we do

Dabls Wrote:

The depth to which English has penetrated and reshape our views of the world is evident in the above statement. Where is this cultural you are talking about? Did you know that the official definition of a cultural is a Language and a creation myth?

.Where is our culture? Changing our names( witch is a good thing, we must select from a African culture) , African dancing( Witch is from a particle cutler ), wearing African clothing (witch is from a lot of different cutlers ), going to Africa ( witch we visit a lot of difference cutlers ) , etc this dosing contuse a culture for us We are African without a cutler ,we can call our own, example. Ashanti, Baga, Bakogo ,Bembe, Bambuti, Fulani etc these or some of the 2, 000 .African cutlers. the European did this to us, it would take a DNA test to determine what culture we are from some time eye sight will not work...

. Scholars refer to the 2,000 languages in Africa as cultures and each one has it own creation myth, ” Wisdom is like mushrooms, that come after you have finished eating ( too late ).

This” grammar and spelling mistakes and exhibiting excellence”, Do you think our ancestral is concern about you emotion over this European language. Remember our ancestral, know how and why we are speaking this language”

. Western education ( English ) was actually introduced by the missionaries in the 18th and 19th century they used the classroom as a vehicle for the spread of the christen gospel witch laid the framework for enslaving African and colonization. The aim was to produce Africans who would help to propagate the gospel, to help in teaching other African to work in and to assist the colonial governments in the administration of their territories.

The schools in colonial Africa were named after European in order to make African worship foreign heroes, dose this reminds you of our school systems today? The European education curriculum taught African Latin and Greek, music English grammar and spelling etc.

The Europeans taught African children to be grateful to the European who discovered us. With respect, this is the sentiment that come thru in you email .when you question my use of his language.

The European trained low lever administrators, teacher and priests for the preservation of European culture ( language), they created school and collages for African to study at. We were taught the European code of behavior we were taught to appreciate European languages, arts and to consider African songs, dances and sculptures, etc. as primitive and savage art.

That stigma hold true today, in a city of 800,000 African wear is our cultural relics? African in America fought and march for this indoctrination..” Do not mend your neighbor’s fence before looking to your own”.

The end result was. The creation of a new type of African personality faithful and obedient to European values, aesthetics and spelling and grammar rules. Cultural indoctrination went hand and hand with English grammar and spelling this English education dose not relate to my so-called community and when I complete my European educational. I new a lot about Europeans, while remaining totally ignorant of self.

This couple, Christianity and English have done a lot to alienate the African from his culture, clearly many African can be found who wholeheartedly embraced the English language as their way of life. Some of them actually went on their own to help to spread this English grammar and spelling as key to our situation or billed as a panacea.

The foundation of European culture, any culture for that matter is language, how can a Hausa language from northern Nigeria be used to teach European culture? And how can English be used to teach African His culture?” do no walk into a snake pit with your eyes closed.”

A profound psychological spiritual and cultural transformation took place with the introduction of English in Africa and to the African who was ship to America. The ripple- effect of which is still being felt, with our denial about the danger of think we can “liberate” ourselves with good English grammar and spelling..

When Africans have succeeded in forming relations or dependencies with the European and his intuitions, our inferiority complex no longer trouble us, everything is all right .With respect I don’t think you understand the damage inflicted.” You fear the cobra whether it has ill intent or not”

English systematically dismantle the fundamental structural base functional orientation of our reality. It plant the seeds of inferiority and inferiority complex connect with the color of the skin and language .there is not an African in America that dose not know he or she speech English but he or she is a proud ” African American ” with no language or creation myth, who taught us this foolishness? I see myself as a African with out a culture.

You must realize that the Europeans operate or acts on, the basis of an authority complex, sacred or secular, a leadership complex, while we obey a dependency complex (higher education). Witch he is the authority .Do you think Africanism need to be dependent on English as the language?.

When there are over 2,000 languages, we could select from. One of the gravest” injustices” done by Europeans is to keep our languages away from us.

Mark Wrote:

Finally, the tone of the e-mails exchanged between the two of you was insulting. If, in fact, this is a war between ideas, then the personal insults exchanged between the two of you are non-productive.

Dabls Wrote:

With respect, I think this ego of your is insulting, When an African remind me that I an not speaking the European language correctly and can not do it him self that insulting and because we did not debate by European rules or your rules, that insulting , how do you know what is productive or not?

It pulled you from the sideline and espouse you sentiments for this European language witch you have not master yet, I think Jamal and I have been quite productive. Lot of things insults me, that life.

This is what I fine to be insulting, Arabs are killing thousands of African brothers in the Sudan, raping my sisters and talking there land and all you English speaking grammar and spelling master or just standing or sitting hoping and praying that some European nations will intervene .How do you think the Arabs acquired north Africa?

When I hear or read about Africans utilities been disconnected by DTE, when the city of Detroit disconnect my people water, when 36th district court evict my people, because we are poor this is insulting. I normally do not waste my time address African who are shadow boxing, there are much more, important issuer out there. we need mental warriors not peace maker

Mark Wrote:

Perhaps the two of you need to schedule a series of meetings in which Dabl teaches Jamal about Afrikan symbology and adornment, and Jamal gives Dabl some lessons in grammar in spelling. If that were to occur, the beef between the two of you could be squashed, both of you would be enhanced, and the best interests of our community would be served.

Dabls Wrote:

Your Ego is at work again, I like Jamal debating skills, he did not try to come across as a know it all, you write like you are talking to two children, and you are also condescended. I was surprise to see how you relegated our culture to” symbology and adornment “

The system of thought and philosophy that governs Africans, before the arriver of the European. It is called Animist, it has been evolving for the pass 45,00 years With respect, and I think you and Jamal should both correct my letters, if you have the skills? and I will teach the two of you.

With respect, I am disappointed with you lake of wisdom and knowledge about you ancestors culture relic ( masks, statues, pottery, textile, metals ,etc.) your ideals are base on European logic and philosophy.

I would say to my students any African standing in front of you talking about what we need to do as a people and he or she do not have our culture relics with him or her, get up and leave he cant help you.” You do not teach the paths of the forest to an old gorilla.”

Witch respect, what community are you talking about? Dose it include the city of Detroit? Were the boundaries of this community? Is this an abstract community? I did not know I was a part of it. Send me a list of what I am suppose to be doing please. I have yet to see this so-called African community you are reference, is it were European bankers and morgues company hold perhaps all the morgues? Is it were most of all the business are own by European and foreign, is it were all the street, building, parks and school have European names?

Mark Wrote:

Secondly, in spite of English being the language of our oppressors, we should use it effectively. This is particularly true for those of us who use spoken and written language to raise the consciousness of our community. Even if we look at English as a foreign language, we should strive to know and use the rules of the language that help other speakers and readers of the language to understand what we mean

Dabls Wrote:

The framework for culture indoctrination is for us to think we need to master English grammar and spelling, before we can” free ourselves”. You have walked into one of the most deadly traps of all with your eye’s wide open, thinking that English’s grammar and spelling is equal to or a necessary component of information or knowledge.

A people emerging out of enslavement and oppression, must be very careful to avoid this way of thinking, English grammar and spelling is equal to knowledge and information.

The pride we have in another cultural language is a condition a” brain wash or mind control”. I have been in contact with hundreds of recent arrived Africans to this country and I have talk to African in there” county” generally five or more languages are spoken.. How do I know? I ask and this is general information, there are ideal and concepts in African language that can not be verbalize let along writing in English In fact translating language is not a science,

We used our mind to store knowledge and information and the symbols, colors and patting on our textiles, sculptors, potteries, etc. were triggers to recall the information. This knowledge was acquired thru years of apprenticeship, begging at age 12 .or there about.

That is why the elders are so important, the African know that he hold the wisdom and knowledge. Just as mush information in an English dictionary Remember the European discredited this system as unreliable, yet his writing documents are full of lies and deception. “Do not confuse the book seller with the book writer.”

I can not except this comment” in spite of” Your statement appear to make sense at first, but it illustrate the psychological damage of eliminating the use of an African language from our psych. Through English we are taught the European code of behavior, European arts, songs, dances and this lead to a new type of African personality. One that can used terms like” In spite of ”. It is like saying I know this water is poison , but I am going to drink it anyway.

The psychic devastation inflicted upon the African is unacceptable to me our contact with the Europeans is insignificant,( you must know they are our children, who came back home and tried to destroyed it ) when place in the context of our time on this planet. It is time for us to begin thinking about making ourselves hold again by speaking an African langue as our mother tong.” A crab does not give birth to a bird.”

African who are” educated” fine they could no longer live in their “community” environment and relate to the illiterate. They are train to despise African who do not write and speak English correctly. Language is the vehicle for education, an educational system is always designed to function as a prop to a given culture.

For the preservation of rules and it kind, an African verse in English and it is his or her only language, has been socialize to except European mythology until he or she learn better.

Knowledge about the “ continent and it institution did not constitution education, if a culture had to be taught and learned it must be European culture, if a language had to be learned it must be English

Mark Wrote:

I am more than certain that you would not find it acceptable for your children to exhibit poor grammar, spelling and usage in their writing of English.

Dabls Wrote:

This is what concern me, more than my children “exhibit poor grammar, spelling and usage in their writing or speaking English .With respect, your inability to see you have give up on our war for mental freedom , you actual thought this would be an issuer with me ? I said at the begging of my email, you don’t know me. When I hear our children used the same words: example; “axed”,” he be”,” we going to” not putting the “correct ending on words” “I seen him”, etc.

The same words and phases Africans used coming-out of enslavement, passed on from one generation to the next. The same words I was punish, embarrass shame, humiliate for using. How dose this language stay alive? when there are people like you who are on the look out for it. Just for the record the words Grammar and spelling are codified when African used them amount themselves

The Teachers and instructors; Africans and Europeans have a basis agents the English we used in our neighborhood African children are made to feel ashamed of there mother tongue

Most African who received a education to provide a live hood for his or family recognize this fact and we protect our mother tong and learn English for working in the European’s world and we come home and be” ourselves” these African are using English as a tool

. A European or African educator goal is to eradicate the language we come to school with, you tell us it is” incorrect English”, and you ask us,” how do we understand what is been said”, and the mine the Europeans get the meaning they publish it in there dictionary, for other Europeans to study and to stop us from developing another language.

Thousand of words have been added because we change the meaning of the words; don’t be so quite to jump on the” Effective English ship”, it may be we are using English” the way it make scent to us.

When I hear my children used our version of the English language. I interpret that as a sign, we have not lose all of our desire to create our own language in this European culture, as a group we would be a greater assets to America if we had our on language what is wrong with by-lingual? We have the name remember “African ”let put some substance behind it. The